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Wim_2Having recently discovered, and become addicted to, the Lord Peter Wimsey books set in my favourite period for detective stories, 1920’s and 1930’s, it struck me after three Peter books under my belt, that Roderick Alleyn, the creation of Ngaio Marsh, (who I have already blogged about) have a lot in common.

They are both ‘gentlemen detectives’ though Roderick Alleyn is a real policeman and a member of the CID, while Lord Peter regards it as a hobby.  They are both elegant, wear their clothes well, are interested in the theatre, music and books.   

They both marry strong women with their own careers:  Lord Peter marries Harriet Vane, who writes detective stories and Alleyn’s wife, Agatha Troy, is a famous and distinguished artist.  They also share the same rather prickly personality in that they both fought their feelings and, initially, did not wish to marry.  Harriet because she disliked being beholden to Lord Peter who saved her from being convicted of murder, and also did not wish to lose her independence, and Agatha, a very private woman, who disliked her husband’s profession very much.    As she was involved with a murder investigation (Artists in Crime) shortly after their initial meeting, this is hardly surprising.

As with all good detective stories, each has his ‘side kick’, usually of the plebeian order, Lord Peter has Bunter (who, in many ways is a more of a snob than his master) and Alleyn has Inspector Fox, who he calls rather whimsically (if you will forgive the use of the word) Brer Fox.  Both are essentially there to admire and appreciate their superior, usually uncritically.  Readers know that Bunter and Fox are devoted to their masters and would lay down their lives for them.

Both Alleyn and Wimsey moved in high society circles; both had aristocratic mothers, Alleyn had a brother George ( a ‘silly ass’) who was a diplomat and Wimsey had a brother who held the fictional title of the Duke of Denver.  One of my favourite Marsh novels is Death in a White Tie which is set in the Season and where a murder takes place at a grand social occasion.  Beautifully described and written this shows that NM had a very good working knowledge of the aristocracy and its comings and goings at this time.

The ‘gentleman detective’ has, of course, continued in the books of Elizabeth George and, to some extent, in PD James Inspector Dalgliesh stories (as well as being a policeman he is also a poet).  Elizabeth George is an American writer who has a huge admiration for the English detective novel and has striven to recreate this genre.  The current editions of the Sayers that I am reading at the moment have a foreword written by her in which she makes no secret of her admiration for these books. 

Sadly, her detective, Inspector Lynley (who is a member of the aristocracy and is called ‘Tommy’ by his friends for heaven’s sake) is a pastiche and not really believable.  He is self obsessed, angst ridden and continually doubting himself and his motives.  He also has a side kick, Barbara Havers, very much a member of the working class, no musical tastes, eats junk food, wears trainers and dreadful anoraks, and is a complete contrast to her boss.  Though she will not admit it, she is devoted to the Terrible Tommy and it is her detecting that solves the problem most of the time. Lynley marries an equally self obsessed, ghastly wife called Helen who is, without doubt, the most irritating female I have ever met in fiction (with perhaps the exception of Irene in the Forsythe Saga, who I wanted to shake most of the time.  My sympathies were always with Soames who I felt showed remarkable forbearance towards his wife but that is a blog for another day).

I did wonder, who had influenced who, and if either of these authors had read the other and, on checking bibliographies, can see that the first D L Sayers novel was published in 1923 and Ngaio Marsh had her first, A Man Lay Dead, published in 1934 so she would have had ample time to read, and be influenced by, Lord Peter Wimsey.  I am trying to see if I can track down any comments by Ngaio Marsh on Dorothy L Sayers to see what she thought of her, and vice versa, as I am sure this would make interesting reading.

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This simply terrific illustration purports to be Roderick Alleyn interviewing a suspect in An Opening Night.  I can only assume that the artist must have read the wrong book as to me, this looks more like Lord Peter and Harriet Vane.  Whoever it is meant to be, I love it.

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19 responses to “Roderick Alleyn – Lord Peter Wimsey”

  1. Elaine Simpson-Long Avatar

    George – thank you very much for the link to ths simply wonderful painting. I have saved it to my computer for future use and now feel the need to research Robert Fawcett.

  2. George Freeman Avatar
    George Freeman

    Another Robert Fawcett painting of Troy from Saturday Evening Post installment of “Final Curtain”:
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/leifpeng/74467796/sizes/o/in/set-1598533/

  3. George Freeman Avatar
    George Freeman

    “The man who stood before the unkindled hearth was tall and stooped a little. His hair, which had the appearance of floss, stood up thinly like a child’s. He wore glasses and blinked behind them at Troy.
    “Good afternoon,” he said. “I’m Thomas Ancred.”
    From “Final Curtain”, convincing Troy to paint his father.

  4. Alice Avatar

    I’m pretty sure it’s actually Alleyn and Troy…because I don’t think Harriet Vane wouldn’t wear a painter’s smock and sandals! I love the Staffordshire dogs…such a lovely illustration.

  5. Diane Avatar
    Diane

    I have a question about the Roderick Alleyn mysteries. Which of Marsh’s books does Agatha Troy appear in and in what order? Thank you.

  6. Elaine Simpson-Long Avatar

    Hello Yankunian – I love it when I log on and meet new people who have dropped by so do visit again. I have already popped over to yours and yes, those Lowry men are a bit creepy!
    Am half way through Gaudy Night at the moment and am loving it and still have lots more of these to go so nice feeling that I have a lot of reading ahead of me.
    Inspector Lynley is such a self pitying twerp – Havers does all the work and gets none of the glory

  7. Yankunian Avatar

    Just found this blog, what a lovely read it is and I am delighted to hear about Marsh, who’s new to me. As a huge Sayers fan I’m eager to dig in. And you made me feel better about not liking Inspector Lynley, which my mom is always pushing on me.

  8. Elaine Simpson-Long Avatar

    If I convert you to Ngaio Marsh then I shall be happy! I was converted to Dorothy L Sayers in the same way so it is good to spread the word and tell other people of all the enjoyable and good things there are out there to be discovered. Will be dropping into your blog again

  9. Danielle Avatar

    Hello–thanks for stopping by my blog-you read such wonderful things! I am working on my first Sayers book now, and I see I have several more authors that I need to look up as well!

  10. Elaine Simpson-Long Avatar

    I know it is nothing like him at all but I just love it – think it is marvellous. I will not say thank you for the tip off about the Folio Society for obvious reasons!!!!

  11. Lyn Baines Avatar
    Lyn Baines

    That picture is not my idea of Alleyn at all!! He looks like a decayed vicar. The woman is very Harriet Vaneish though. I love Golden Age crime, and I’m about to be seduced back into the Folio Society because they are offering a free set of Sayers novels if I rejoin. I already have paperbacks of all the novels in the set, but I love FS editions and I have to have them. My credit card is out of the purse already.

  12. Elaine Simpson-Long Avatar

    well, fingers crossed and we will see what we can find! The sale starts at 9.30 am and I usually get there by 9 am as the queue builds up pretty quickly. Most people go straight for all the popular paperbacks, tables full of them and the old, battered, hard backs which can produce gems are ignored. This is my feasting ground!!

  13. Litlove Avatar

    Elaine, you are a darling for saying you will look for the Marsh book!

  14. Elaine Simpson-Long Avatar

    Well Ngaio Marsh wrote about 20 and not sure about Allingham so I think they will keep you going for ages. I am keeping a list for this book sale in a week or two

  15. Ex Libris Avatar

    I love PD James and have many of the Salyers, but have yet to discover the Marsh and Allinghams. Woe is me! I can see I have much catching up to do :) Speaking of book sales, Dayton is having a huge one in a couple of weeks, so I’ll be on the lookout.

  16. Julie F Avatar
    Julie F

    There’s a working-class sidekick in the Allingham novels too but the name escapes me.

  17. Elaine Simpson-Long Avatar

    I will be attending a huge book sale in a week or two, it is an annual one and I never fail to come away with masses of books. I will keep an eye out for a copy of Death in a White Tie and if I find one it is yours Litlove!
    Ann – I so agree with you regarding the TV series on Alleyn. I was bitterly disappointed with them, boring, dull, bad characterisation and story alteration all to no end – perhaps it is time the Beeb redid them. Perhaps I should write and suggest it. Any thoughts on who could play Alleyn? Ralph Fienes would appear to have the right physical characteristics, or Alan Rickman – now there is a thought!!!
    It is fairly clear that I will now have to tackle Allingham. She lived in Tolleshunt D’arcy, not very far from me, I gather so I really should as she is a ‘local’ author. Oh, dear where is all this leading me? If I had a degree I might write a thesis on The Golden Age of Crime though I daresay it has already been done.

  18. Ann Darnton Avatar

    I came on board to make the comment that Litlove has already made, Elaine. I love Allingham too and I think she’s right about her influence on Marsh. I also owe Allingham a great debt as in one of her books she has a character who has synesthesia. This is now very fashionable, but when I was younger was definitely not the sort of thing you admitted to. She helped me to realise that I wasn’t going mad.
    Incidently, one way in which I think Peter Wimsey and Roderick Alleyn differ is that Wimsey has been well served on the TV whereas Alleyn has had short shrift from the casting departments.

  19. Litlove Avatar

    It’s a great illustration and you are so talking my language. I adore Golden Age crime, and the books of both of these authors. It’s a good question as to the extent of Sayers’s influence on Marsh, but Marsh always strikes me as quite a composite of Agatha Christie and Marjorie Allingham, too, whose sleuth, Albert Campion is another member of that aristocratic class of master readers. I have been trying to get hold of Death in a White Tie for ages but with no joy. Amazon couldn’t get hold of it for me in the end. I will keep looking!

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