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I started off loving Downton Abbey. After three series I gave up on it as it was getting more and more ludicrous. I returned for the last series as I wanted to see how it finished and felt that they ended it just when they should before it got even dafter.   One of the joys of watching the series was following the comments on the Guardian blog where the regulars picked up on the absurdities and ineptitude of the Crawley family to the enjoyment of the participants. I should stress that this was all done with humour and fondness for DA and I used to enjoy the blog more than the programme.

What was picked up and commented on week after week was the way it was written and how Julian Fellowes delivered story lines and plot development at the rate of knots. A couple of weeks go by and we find that apart from the odd dead Turk being carted around at dead of night, the Titanic had sunk, World War 1 had started, Matthew Crawley was crippled in the trenches, then felt a tingle and lo and behold was back on his feet just in time to sit at the death bed of his fiance.   In between we had characters giving great chunks of exposition so that we knew what had gone on behind the scenes.

So we turn to Dr Thorne and Julian Fellowes take on this. Three episodes. Yep THREE. And bear in mind that this is being screened on commercial television so you can knock 12 minutes off that hour to allow for ads and we have one of Anthony Trollope's most popular and loved stories encapsulated in this time frame.  Impossible.

The main story line is the love between Mary Thorne, niece of the good doctor, and Frank Gresham son of the local big wig family who have fallen on hard times and who need money urgently. Up to Frank to marry well, in other words marry money, so off you pop Mary and though we have known you since you were a child, you are no longer welcome.   I reread the book when I knew this adaptation was coming up and loved it all over again and the reminder merely showed up the paucity of depth and characterisation in this three parter.  In the novel we are given to wonder if Frank will be true to Mary as Trollope, with most of his female characters, gives them strength of mind and will and the men can be a tad wobbly. Will Frank maintain his backbone in the face of all opposition and the scheming of his ghastly mother and aunt?

The rattling pace of this current dramatization, in true Fellowes fashion, gives the viewer the impression that all the events take place over a summer. In fact, the story and the ups and downs of the lives of the two families, Drttakes place over THREE years. Mary suffers greatly from her banishment by the Greshams as the rest of the village follow their lead and she is isolated. There is nary a hint of this.   Then the soppy sentimental death bed scene of Scatcherd who learns that she is his niece and is able to say 'that you were an angel sent to me' when in the novel he never meets her and dies in ignorance of her existence. This occurred half way through episode two and that was when I switched off.

The Pallisers series made back in the seventies was 26 episodes long. Recently re-run on BBC1 in the afternoons, yes it does have rather wobbly sets and dodgy back projection, but the acting is simply wonderful.  The Barchester Towers with the glorious Alan Rickman as Obadiah Slope was given multiple episodes.

I really wonder why they bothered making Dr Thorne. I really do. And over the years I have been watching various series on television I have noticed that they have got shorter and shorter. Why? The recent War and Peace was a case in point. Six pathetic hours. The old version with Anthony Hopkins and Alan Dobie was thirteen hours long and was produced on a much smaller budget but it had characterisation and depth. The recent one looked much better of course, but it was all glam and gloss and shallow and, ultimately, unsatisfying and ended with the obligatory soft focus scene of happy families sitting in the sunshine eating and drinking and laughing. As somebody said on Twitter 'this is Downski Abbey isn't it".  

I could go on and on: Lewis, an excellent series getting shorter and shorter the longer it was filmed. Last two series we had three episodes divided into one hour showings to try and fool us that we were getting the same amount of drama for our money, when the earlier ones had been shown in two hour chunks which was much better from a dramatic viewpoint. Not so good for the advertisers though one assumes. Same happened to Foyle's War.

This superficial treatment seems to be more and more prevalent and I can only think it is because TV companies don't believe that viewers will invest in something substantial. But they are wrong. Just look at The Killing, two series of ten episodes each, The Bridge ditto, Borgen ditto and all with sub-titles too. Spiral the French detective series also ten episodes and most US drama series are 22-24 episodes long, thus giving the viewer time to become involved with the characters and story lines. And just finished, Trapped, set in Iceland, another ten hours which gripped all of those who watched.

There are many viewers who are happy to sit down and watch all the aforementioned Scandi/French series and credit to BBC4 for realising this and buying up more of these for us to watch and enjoy. 

I understand that Andrew Davies, who is always very keen on putting as much sex in his adaptions as possible (War and Peace earned the nickname Phwoar and Piece) is now set to take a look at Les Miserables. I would like to say, gosh I can hardly wait, but I think I probably can……

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20 responses to “Dr Thorne aka Dr Downton”

  1. Elaine Avatar

    I hate to damn a programme and would ask that you just take a look at one episode and see what you think. If people watch this and have not read the book then it is shallow but enjoyable. It is when you know and love the book that one gets mad

  2. LizF Avatar

    I have Dr Thorne recorded on my Sky Box and was going to ask if you thought it was worth watching or whether I should just read the book but as I see you have already answered that question, I am going to fish out the book and delete the programme forthwith!

  3. Elaine Avatar

    Hello Hugh and thank you for your comments. I gather Fellowes loves the Trollope books. He has written an adaptation of The Eustace diamonds but I gather the BBC decided against using it. Wonder why???? Really disappointed in this Dr Thorne though I should have known what to expect. Needed six episodes to do it justice. I daresay if ever the Pallisers is redone it will be half the length.

  4. Hugh Christian-Carter Avatar
    Hugh Christian-Carter

    Dear Elaine
    I couldn’t agree more about Fellowes’ evisceration of Dr Thorne. Having reached the ages where I binge-watch this sort of thing so as to avoid confusion over the minor characters (it being a long time since I last re-read DT) it transpires I needn’t have bothered as JF had cut out all the minor characters anyway. as for the miscasting of Miss Dunstable!!!! I really wonder if JF had actually read the book at all. If Pride & Prejudice needed six hours on the BBC, then DT needed at least 8 or 9. What is so sad is when you compare this with The Pallisers, of which I still possess the videotapes.

  5. Margaret Powling Avatar
    Margaret Powling

    Is that your own Penguin mug, Elaine? Is it buy-able, or just a one-off for yourself?
    Margaret P

  6. Margaret Powling Avatar
    Margaret Powling

    I also gave up after 3/4 of the way through the first episode.
    Margaret P

  7. Elaine Avatar

    Well feel free to pass on the link to anybody you want to Thomas so you can say SEE somebody else agrees with me! Trollope is one of my favourite writers and his books are just so good and to see it dealt with in this superficial and facile way really got on my nerves

  8. Elaine Avatar

    Well it made ma re-read it and I just sat and, as always with AT, could not put it down and then watching this just got me mad

  9. Elaine Avatar

    If you have not read Dr Thorne I really would not bother watching this as it will give you totally the wrong idea about it all. Downton outlived its welcome really

  10. Elaine Avatar

    Totally agree with you here

  11. Elaine Avatar

    The US version of The Killing was totally and utterly awful. I have not seen the Legacy though it has been shown over here. It was on a commercial channel while I was watching another Scandi on another one and felt I could not take any more! Do watch the original Killing, it is simply fantastic.
    Do try Trapped and Spiral – both so good
    Dr Thorne was just dire

  12. Elaine Avatar

    Some TV adaptations are excellent and I have watched many over the years but this is not one of them and when I saw the fell hand of Julian Fellowes was upon it I feared the worst, and got it

  13. Elaine Avatar

    Oh I am getting pretty vintage too Margaret! I simply cannot understand why they bothered with this, slight and stupid and a marvellous book trivialised.

  14. Thomas Hogglestock Avatar

    Thank you for writing this. I think people in my social circles are tired of me complaining about how much I can’t stand Julian Fellowes. I think the moderator of the Trollope Facebook page was also unhappy with me when I suggested Fellowes would ruin Trollope. What I don’t understand is that so many in the bookish world are willing to overlook how bad the Downton writing is. I still watch it and get a certain amount of pleasure from it–essentially I enjoy the scenery and spend most of the time moaning about how klutzy and ridiculous it is.

  15. Harriet Avatar

    I so agree about Dr Thorne. A really bad adaptation in so many ways. Let’s just hope it gets some people flying to the original.

  16. Southern Gal Avatar

    thanks for this i have Thorne but hadnt watched yet. may give it a try
    agree about Downton… i tried to catch up and find that if i have it on while i am cooking or cleaning i can just get thru it. i really root for Edith and Mrs. Crawley … and hope that Anna and Bates are finally allowed some happiness. am in the penultimate season now.. lots of fast forwarding too

  17. Southern Gal Avatar

    oh do watch the original KILLING… i didnt even try the American. the original is FABULOUS. may have to rewatch for the third time… be warned its violent but beautifully handled – acting and writing magnificent.

  18. Karen K. Avatar

    OK, first: Downski Abbey made me laugh out loud. I haven’t watched the new W&P yet, still saving it on the DVR as I’m currently obsessed with Scandinavian dramas.
    And YES a thousand times to Borgen and The Bridge, though I haven’t been able to watch the original Killing. The American remake was so frustrating I threw things at the TV. (But now we have a new Smart TV and can watch ITunes directly in HD, so I can try and get the original which they’ve never released in Region 1. I’m now watching an older Danish crime series called The Eagle which I’m really enjoying. And have you seen Arvingerne (The Legacy) by the producers of Borgen? Only one season so far but it was BRILLIANT.
    I’m disappointed that Doctor Thorne sounds so condensed, it’s one of my favorite Trollope novels. I was really hoping it would create a Trollope revival, he is so sadly ignored, especially here in the U.S.
    And thanks for the recommendations of Trapped and Spiral, I’ll have to see if I can get them here in the States.

  19. Margaret @ BooksPlease Avatar

    I gave up on Doctor Thorne too, after watching the first episode – a bit of a farce, I thought. Such a shame when it could have been so much better! I thoroughly enjoyed your post though and so glad I’m not on my own in thinking about the way TV adaptations fail to live up to the books.

  20. Margaret Powling Avatar
    Margaret Powling

    Oh, wonderful, vintage Elaine commentary (I mean the commentary is vintage, har, har!)
    I gave up on Dr Thorne. I’m not a fan of Tom H (I mean the short one, not the tall one, in The Night Manager, not that I’m a fan of him, either) but I watched Episode 1 and, actually, I was bored, the story might’ve been good in Trollope’s book, but what appeared on the screen was more like Mills & Boon: as you say, rich chap loves impoverished woman but needs to marry money. But impoverished woman isn’t impoverished at all. Will they, won’t they … well, by then I couldn’t be arsed, as the saying goes.

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