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The first thing I have to say about the excellent three part documentary on the above, shown on the BBC this week, is that Fiona Bruce is nowhere to be seen.   So I was prepared to like it for that reason alone even if no other….

You know my feelings and thoughts by now on the way the BBC do these sort of documentaries – the high profile presenter, usually knowing nothing about the subject in question, wandering around as a lonely as a cloud that floats on high o'er vale and hill, and gazing lovingly at ceilings and then at carpets as if she/he had never seen one before – so cliched and boring.     For once the BBC did not do this. OK we had the odd shot of a blurred child, one of the Royal children running around Osborne and a woman taking off her stockings signifying that naughty Bertie was around, but this was understandable as the main thrust of this three parter was an excellent narrative and a concentration on the subject matter and it needed a little leavening.  

The BBC eschewed the dumbing down approach they have used in the past (perhaps my complaining emails may have got through?   No, probably not) and, instead of the aforementioned Miss B, we had 'talking heads' , in other words professionals and experts who knew their subject and were allowed to get on with it.  There were certainly a lot of them and they all had something of interest to say.

The two presenters I was most interested in were Helen Rappaport author of Magnificent Obsession (my book of the year 2011) and Jane Ridley author of Bertie, a biography of Edward VII which is my book of the year 2012 ( which I think I have failed to announce), both superbly written and marvellous to read.   In both of these books it cannot be said that Victoria was painted as a good and loving mother interested in her children.  Her entire love and life was wrapped up in Albert and once he died, her world fell in and, as she had taken very little interest in her children, they were unable to be a comfort to her after his death.   It seemed she resented they were alive and he was not.

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The programme was fascinating. First one was all about Victoria and Albert and their life together; the second focusing on her daughters and the final one all about the sons.   Though I cannot totally defend Victoria and her attitude towards her offspring, I rather felt that this programme had taken a particular stance and pulled up every bit of documentation or proof to support this.   I have no problem with this, but I would hate everyone to think that she was a heartless, uncaring person though one is left with this impression after the three hours of watching.   My theory is that she was so adrift after she lost Albert that she was determined to control every aspect of all her children's lives as something she could cling onto and which would make her feel more secure.  The Queen was obsessed with carrying out Albert's plan to raise a model royal family and as the years went by and all of her children, in one way or another, disappointed her, she became more and more dictatorial and didactic and determined that they Would do as they Were Told. 

I find it hard to believe that she had no maternal instincts whatsoever even though her thoughts on childbirth and babies were pretty trenchant and she made no bones about describing Leopold as one of the ugliest children she had seen.  I don't think she ever got the knack of loving her children, or at least be able to show them that she did, so hidebound was she with trying hard to live up to Albert who, I personally, think would try the patience of a saint.    Having a husband who will not argue with you and who goes away and writes you reproving patient letters would make me mad, also being treated as a child, which is what he did to her.

I have always found Queen Victoria a fascinating individual and never tire of reading about her, her relatives, family and social history of the time and was delighted that this documentary was so engrossing and so well done.   I was wondering how it would be and to find that the dumbing down process had more or less been abandoned in this case was such a relief, just shows that all you need is experts who talk well and cogently, unfussy direction and production, and a narrator who told you what you wanted to hear and just let you sit back and enjoy it.

I am currently reading Serving Victoria by Kate Hubbard – Life in the Royal Household which I am thoroughly enjoying and will be reviewing later.

It would be lovely if this was shown in the USA – have already received many comments wishing it was available so, fingers crossed, it will cross the pond.

So good to write a post about the BBC without my usual ranting!

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16 responses to “Queen Victoria’s Children – TV”

  1. JohnV Avatar

    At the risk of ‘plugging my own’, I co-wrote ‘Dearest Affie’ with the late Bee Jordaan, published in 1984 and reprinted in paperback in 1995. I recently expanded it and added a good deal of additional material, and after failing to persuade my publishers to issue the revised version, they allowed the rights to revert to me and I e-published it on Amazon Kindle in 2012. Affie, I firmly believe, was not the tedious fool of popular legend although he certainly had his faults. Noble Frankland’s ‘Witness of a Century’ (1993) is a very full life of Arthur, though I think this too has been out print for some years.

  2. Elaine Avatar

    Yes I agree. Victoria Corby in the comments above says the same thing. The BBC really really wanted us to belive that QV was a control freak and did rather labour the point but the entire programme was so intersting and on one of my favourite subjects that I find this rather less irritating that I usually do.
    So glad you enjoyed Magnificent Obsession. My book of the year 2011 and now Bertie is my book of the year 2012

  3. mq, cb Avatar
    mq, cb

    Just watched the series in one go and despite its deficiencies , I greatly enjoyed it. I do sometimes think that the documentary makers underestimate how much information we can absorb. We really don’t need the same points hammered home again and again. They do look for supposedly interesting “hooks” — some C4 documentaries are especially bad for this — instead of just presenting the information and letting us decide whether it’s interesting.
    I got Magnificent Obsession for Christmas and finished it in one sitting. Jane Ridley’s Bertie is next on my list. Thanks for recommending it.

  4. Elaine Avatar

    Yes I feel the BBC had taken this stance and were determined to hammer it home and it did get a bit boring after a while. However, I found the entire programme absorbing and my irritation level which is low only kicked in every now and then!
    MO is simply marvellous – out in paperback

  5. Victoria Corby Avatar

    I thought the documentaries were fascinating, but, and it’s a big but, I was driven absolutely bonkers by the repetition of key points ‘Victoria was a control freak’ being the most obvious as if the viewers were not capable of holding onto a viewpoint for long than ten minutes, there was also more than one shot of a corset being unlaced – I’d already realised that Bertie liked the ladies.
    That said I did thoroughly enjoy them and Magnificent Obsession was already on my wish list and hearing Helen Rappaport speak made me even more keen to read it.

  6. Margaret Powling Avatar
    Margaret Powling

    With you all the way on the Kenneth Clark of Civilisation presentation, Elaine. He didn’t treat the viewers as mindless idiots who needed everything explaining to the enth degree, nor did he present in such a way as to draw attention to himself rather than his subject.

  7. Elaine Avatar

    David – you make a good point. I just now avoid documentaries done in this style. They repeated the Kate Williams led doco last night which was a prime example of this genre and as I had seen it before and it reduced me to gibbering rage, avoided it this time round. I am a throw back to the Kenneth Clark Civilisation style of presentation but know this is hopelessly outdated. I would have watched this whatever the style because it is a subject I am interested in, but was just grateful that it was done the way it was.
    I also wonder whether 9 children in 18 years or less might just have had something to do with the fact that she found motherhood such a task!

  8. Elaine Avatar

    There are various biogs about the children though I think Affie and Arthur have none, probably because they were so dull, but there are lots of books about all her children in general., I have several on my shelves

  9. Elaine Avatar

    Do let me know what you think of it Jo.

  10. Elaine Avatar

    I am halfway through this book now and thoroughly enjoying learning all about those around the royal family and their thoughts, some of them pretty trenchant, about life at court.

  11. Elaine Avatar

    I think Bertie understood his mother very well and this was why he put up with stuff that others would no. Similar in temperament though QV would never admit it, he was a loving son and she, in her turn, always stood up to him and rushed to his aid to get him out of scrapes, though she gave him what for while he was doing it!!

  12. David Nolan (dsc73277) Avatar

    For my own part I think there is room on our screens for both the presenter-led approach that irritates you so much and for the traditional documentary approach employed in “Victoria’s Children”. Each to his or her own. As you say, this series did not paint Victoria in a very good light. Her own difficult childhood was cited in her defence, but they failed to mention that her attitude towards babies and children was probably fairly typical among the upper classes

  13. Eyesometric.wordpress.com Avatar

    A fascinating programme, I agree and a good idea to divide it up the way they did into the three segments. I was absolutely amazed at what an awful mother she was and also how little we already knew about the children who did not become King. Excellent work from the Beeb!

  14. Jo Avatar

    I Have yet to watch it, but did record it. My mum raved about it and now you, Elaine so I will try and catch up with it soon.

  15. Cath Avatar

    How odd, Serving Victoria was the book the book I came home from the library with today! As you know from FB, I too thoroughly enjoyed the series. For this kind of thing do I willingly pay my license fee.

  16. Claire (The Captive Reader) Avatar

    I will be one of the many North Americans keeping their fingers crossed that this shows up on our televisions one day. It sounds wonderful and I know, given my interest in Queen Victoria and her children, I would enjoy it. I hadn’t heard about it before so thank you for the thoughtful and detailed review, Elaine. In the meantime, I will have to content myself with reading about Bertie!

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